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10 Years out of the JW Organization- What I've Learned ( For what it's Worth)

by flipper in

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10 years ago i stopped attending jehovah's witness meetings for good.

walked out of the kingdom hall cold turkey never to return based on injustices i observed among others and myself at the hands of elders giving out not god's counsel but personal opinions as counsel .

some of them weren't even giving out wt society counsel- just personal opinions.

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I just saw this post flipper it is so great. You so spot on, everything you said is so true. I love the way you write. All the points you brought out are so true, the part about being told over and over we are special people, etc alway made me feel strange when I was a JW. I never liked that I just did not know why. I remember so many JW's that felt eltist when we would go on coffee breaks and look down on the other customers in the store. Sometimes I just wanted to crawl away when we were in a coffee shop. OH my goodness you are so spot on with that point. Especially around this time of year with Christmas some JW's would be so rude to others.

Anyway thank you for being here to help people and your stand on the child abuse issue. I am so glad that you have given a voice to the problem. So many people even ex JW's do not want to know that there is a pedophile problem in the relgion. I am just so gald that you stand up and talk about it.

You and Mrs. Flipper mean the world to me with the help you have given to me and so many others.

Thank you.

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Just out of curiosity, how many elders (current & ex) do we have here?

by mrquik in

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me.

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Thanks Rawe for counting all the posts.

I am with Magwitch. My husband was an elder for 21 of our 26 year marriage. It did huge damage to our marriage, that still hurts so much even now. I had no voice in our marriage. My feelings and needs were never considered it was the religion first, I was always second or thrid.

It never mattered if I felt sick and wished to stay home I had to be there to set the example. Than after the meetings the long, long elders meetings and I was stuck with a bunch of elder's wives who refused to let me into their little groups so I would sit alone in the car.

No couples time at all, no anniversarys much less of course no holidays. We only got to enjoy our first year anniversary than my husband got to busy and our second year anniversary I spent alone in the car until midnight than I went over to another elders wives home who hated me until 2:00 in the morning when my husband finally came to get me, he was ticked off by whatever happened in that meeting and made me feel like scum for wanting to have an evening to gether as husband and wife, after all the congregation came first and I should have known better than to marry an elder if I did not like it. After that I just gave up trying to have anniversarys together, it hurt too much. There were no date nights of couse, there was no bonding as marriage mates.

If someone needed my husband it never mattered what was going on in our life together who ever needed him came first. It was like being married to a doctor on call expect there was no money and we lived on nothing so my husband could put "Jehovah" first. The only reason he is not an elder today is because I was not in subjection enough. Seems because of my stand on not wanting pedophiles around me put my husband in a bad place with the other elders.

Yeh the good times of being an elders wife.

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Anyone here close to Grace Gough/Mouthy?

by satinka in

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if anyone knows mouthy/grace gough, it would be awesome if someone would look in on her.

she is feeling the effects of the ice storm and is all alone and it is christmas eve.

i just sent her an email and received this reply back:.

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Merry Christmas Grace glad to see you are OK. Wish I did not live 3000 milies away, I would love to spend some time with you today but ((((((HUGS)))))) from here will have to do. Wish you were not so alone but at least you know we are all thinking of you.

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Fred Franz talk before Gilead explaining why there was NO 1st Century GB

by BU2B in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-vymdlw83c.

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Kim's call to HQ's...

by Newly Enlightened in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xltqvpy6i0q.

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IS there anything one moment or experience that still haunts you?

by confusedandalone in

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last night me and the wife were talking about things that happened to each of us while in the borg that we wished we could have reacted differently... i mean really put someone in thier place for the foolish thing they said or the deplorable action that enacted upon you.

my wife literally almost came to tears relating something that i was not aware... i wanted to end up going back to the hall for a monthy or so just too handle it.. .

do you have anything you would like to share to help us remove our own thoughts from our minds lol.

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There are so many hurts it is so hard to name only a few. The total lack of love was unreal. When we were first married my husband was in a hall where the CO had asked him to go, it was a horrible hall. My husband was the only elder at the time. The way I was treated as a new wife is beyond decribing, I was yelled at all the time, told I was stupid to my face. We were pioneering and when my husband was doing some elder thing the sisters would not let me even go out in service with them. When my husband was there they refused to use their cars and my husband said everyone had to go out unlike how I was treated, so there were times when we would have six people in our Honda Civic. We beat the crap out of our car.

I talked to the CO and told him I was loosing it and he rebucked me telling me I was being selfish and that Jehovah needed my husband now that is why he was acked to go to this hall, I could have him (my husband) in the new system which was going to happen really soon. That was 25 years ago.

This does not even begin to touch on what went on while we were at Bethel, and then after we come back and the pedophile problem in the hall which was beyond hell.

I wish I could let go of the pain but its there, its like this huge wound that is just there, the hatefullness of these people knows no bounds. Like when my husband had a major heart attack and I called the CoBE and his wife answered and told me she could not help me because she had to go out in service, how while I was at the hospital even the Chaplin was blown away by how alone I was. The Chaplin said she had never seen a JW with no one there for the family.

This is just a cold hartless religion.

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this week's wt study

by thedog1 in

i conducted the wt study tonight on higher education.

i wondered what the reaction of the bros and sis would be.

there was no deviation from the idea that a university education is not a good idea.

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should christains own cats?

by unstopableravens in

is it appropriate for a christian to own a cat, in light of their past pagan religious affiliation and the medical information that is now coming to light?

it would be misleading to answer this question with either a simple yes or a no.

the scriptural answer of necessity must be a qualified one, and it is easy to see why.

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adamah

Thank you so much for your educating me. I am so very stupid and did not know that some people are highly allergic to pet dander. I am so glad that there are people on this board who can help people like me who are so ill-informed.

First the book study had been in this older sisters home for a year and a half. Everyone who attended knew she had cats it was explained very well to those of us who went there, it was even brought up that if you were allergic than you would be reassigned. So the sensitive types that you mentioned could go some place else.

Second this older sister had a full basement where the book study was held and she kept the cats upstairs in a far bedroom so there were no meows or banging like you posted about being so distracting and yes I agree with my limited mind that it would be distracting to hear meows all the time. AND NO the sister did not let THEM OUT TO MINGLE with the house guests like you said she NO DOUBT DID! In fact the only way you saw her cats were if you asked and she did let the children go into the room where she kept them but only if the parents OK'ed it.

But thank you so much adamah for informing me that I was out of line by my post.

And yes I do know very well that people are higly allergic to pets and those with asthma and respiratory conductions can even die if they are exposed to pets espceially cats. I have two friends who cannot even be in a home where the family have cats as pets. But this was not the case here as the same people were in this study group of the whole time.

What the CoBE did was rude and insensitive to me in my limted way of thinking by at the last minute changing the book study the way he did and not even telling the older women why. She had opened her home and allowed 20 people to march in and then to be treated the way she was I still feel was wrong even though the cats were the cause of it.

And yes half of my post is satirical.

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should christains own cats?

by unstopableravens in

is it appropriate for a christian to own a cat, in light of their past pagan religious affiliation and the medical information that is now coming to light?

it would be misleading to answer this question with either a simple yes or a no.

the scriptural answer of necessity must be a qualified one, and it is easy to see why.

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Months before they ended the book studys the CoBE moved the book study out of an older sisters home because of her cats. No Joke, he did'nt even tell her before hand, he just got to her house early and as we all showed up for the study that night he told us that he moved it to a brothers home a few blocks away. He told my husband in private that it was becuause of her cats. It was really strange as she kept them locked up while we were there, the older sister was really hurt and she was never told as far as I know why the shut down the study in her home.

Maybe this CoBE got a copy of this and thought it was real.

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No wonder most of of you guys think us jw's are idiots

by nowwhat? in

as a teenager back in the 1970's i once asked the question, how can they declare peace and security if the king of the north [soviet union] is to storm with many chariots?

i got the "what kind of question is that?

" response.. then in the 1980's i said "if it wasn'nt for the 1914 generation dying off, i don't see the slightest indication that babylon the great is going to be destroyed anytime soon.

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I was always told that if I had a question about something just to wait on Jehovah and if I was right there would be some new light on it when I was in my early 20's and at Bethel. I was told to remember this brother who was super faithful who had a burning problem with something but he just waited on Jehovah and 20 years latter on the front of a WT was the answer to his question and it was the way he had always felt. So Jehovah blessed him for waiting and not running ahead of the slave. (what ever)

Stuipidly I beleived it for so long even though it truly did not make sense.

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